The rapture

[Rana H]

I want to ask about the rapture from the Orthodox point of view


Thank you and God bless

[Dima-h]

سؤال غريب أخ moon ممكن توضح أكتر شو قصدك من هالسؤال
الله يقويك......صلواتك

[Rana H]

sister Dimah
I dont know what dos it mean in arabic,and I never heard of it when I was back home in Syria, but I always hear abuot it on,TV,so that is why I am asking

[سليمان]

Let Us Lift Up Our Hearts
Let Us Give Thanks Unto The Lord


Beloved in Christ Sisters- moon and Dima-h


Sister-moon: Rapture is a western innovation, it is not strange that you've not heard of it back at the home-land


Sister Dima-h: Rapture is a believe invented by Dispensationalists a.k.a. Premillenialists in the 1800 A.D. (such as many Evangelicals, especially in the USA) They hold the return of Christ to be in two stages. First Thessalonians 4:15-17 is seen to
be a preliminary event to the return described in
Matthew 24:29-31. Although both describe a return of
Jesus in the clouds with angelic activity, trumpets
heavenly signs, and a gathering of the saints, these
are seen to be two separate events, the first unseen and the second public


Dispensationalists are divided, however, on whether the first event comes before a period of Tribulation (http://www.orthodoxonline.org/forum/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2 Fwiki%2FTribulation), or midway through it


Sister Moon to learn what is our orthodox stance with regards to this innovation


Please read the study listed at this link


http://www.synaxis.org/catechist/rapture.html (http://www.orthodoxonline.org/forum/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.synaxis.org%2F catechist%2Frapture.html)


Please focus on the following


Is It Dangerous to Believe -Left Behind


Yes, it may well be. Many of the arguments used in
favor of Rapture are taken from the Book of Revelation
Chapter 22:18 & 19 warn that anyone who adds to or
takes away from the words in Revelation will meet
with punishment from God. The interpretation of Revelation is therefore a very sticky issue. Revelation
is the only New Testament book that the Orthodox Church doesn’t read in Liturgy


Saint Peter also warns us that no prophecy is to be of private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20), yet many insist of reading into the book of Revelation and in applying creative interpretations to it


Focus on the True Issue


Rather than argue over what the end will look like, we
should keep in mind one unavoidable fact; we will all
face judgment. Christ will examine each of us and as
a result some will gain eternal life, while others will be sent to a hell of eternal torment
(John 5:29)
Everything beyond preparing for Christ’s second coming (and judgment) is nothing more than a distraction


You have to ask yourself who would benefit the most
by causing us to be distracted


In Christ I remain His sinful-humble servant
and your loving borhter
Sulieman

[لما]

Moon :how are you?
May god bless you
can you explain in what kind of program did you hear it,or in what kind of speech?

[Rana H]

Thank you brother Suliman for the useful info
so we orthodox do not belive in the rapture
can I ask if u can translate the word in arabic
sister Lama it was on Vision Tv it was not an Orthodox program so that is why I am asking
and you can find movies about it too moor than one


keep me in your prayers

[سليمان]

In Peace Let Us Pray To the Lord
Lord Have Mercy


Beloved in Christ -sister moon- blessed are thou; for, you seekth the Truth



Here, the correct meaning for the word Rapture in Arabic would be
Idhtirab or Nashwah; however, the contextual meaning in this case would be
Ikhtitaf al-Kaniisah


This is a dangerous satanic driven man made innovation a bid’ah- it is
an idea “daughter of illicit minds” of those creators of new paradigms whom foster irrational polemics
against Jesus His Pride- Church and Her
Unsuspecting beloved flock


and every innovation is a heresy -hartaqah

Beloved in Christ-sister moon
I reminde thee of what the Lord has saidth

ها أَنا ذا أُعطيكُم سُلطاناً أَن تَدوسوا الحيَّاتِ والعَقاربَ وقُوَّةَ العَدُوِّ كلَّها. وما من شيءٍ يَضُرُّكُم * ولكنْ لا تفرَحُوا بهذا أَنَّ الأَرواحَ تَخضَعُ لكُم. بل بالأَحرى إِفرَحوا بأَنَّ أَسماءَكُم مكتوبةٌ في السَّماوات * وفي تلكَ الساعةِ تهلَّلَ يسوعُ بالروحِ وقال. أَعترفُ لكَ يا أَبَتِ ربَّ السَّماواتِ والأَرض. لأَنك أَخفيتَ هذه عنِ الحُكَماءِ والعُقَلاءِ وكَشَفْتَها للأَطفال. نَعَمْ يـا أَبَتِ. لأَنَّهُ هكذا حَسُنَ لَدَيك
furthermore, I ask thee to contrast His Holy Words
with the "statement explanation" below describing the aforementioned innovation


In Christ I remain His sinful-humble servant
and your loving borther
Sulieman
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http://www.gotquestions.org/Arabic/Arabic-rapture.html (http://www.orthodoxonline.org/forum/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gotquestions.o rg%2FArabic%2FArabic-rapture.html)


ما هو أختطاف الكنيسة؟


كلمة أختطاف غير مذكورة في الكتاب المقدس. ولكن مبدأ الأختطاف موجود بصورة واضحة في أماكن متعددة من الكتاب. والأختطاف هو الحدث الذي فيه يأخذ الله جميع المؤمنيين بأسمه من الأرض لكي يمهد الطريق للغضب الآتي علي الأرض خلال فترة الضيقة الأخيرة. والأختطاف موصوف في تسالونيكي الأولي 13:4-18 وكورنثوس 50:15-54. تسالونيكي الأولي 13:4 يصف الأختطاف بأن الله سيقيم كل المؤمنين بأسمه الذين قد ماتوا، وأنه سيعيطيهم أجساد ممجدة، ثم سيترك العالم مع المؤمنيين الذين كانوا أحياء ومع هؤلاء الذين أعطوا أجساد ممجدة. "لأن الرب نفسه بهتاف، بصوت رئيس ملائكة وبوق الله، سوف ينزل من السماء والأموات في السماء سيقومون أولاً. ثم نحن الأحياء الباقين سنخطف جميعاً معهم في السحب لملاقاة الرب في الهواء، وهكذا نكون كل حين مع الرب" (تسالونيكي الأولي 16:4-17).


كورنثوس الأولي 50:15-54 يركز علي طبيعة الأختطاف المتتابعة والأجساد الممجدة التي نتلقاها. "هوذا سر أقول لكم: لا نرقد كلنا، ولكن كلنا نتغير، في لحظة في طرفة عين، عند البوق الأخير. فأنه سيبوق، فيقام الأموات عديمي الفساد، ونحن نتغير" (كورنثوس الأولي 51:15-52). فالأختطاف حدث مجيد يجب علينا أن نتوق اليه. سنصبح أخيراً أحراراً من الخطيئة. وسنصبح في حضرة الله للأبد. هناك مناقشات عديدة تدور حول الأختطاف، والله يريدنا أن "نعزز بعضنا البعض بهذا الكلام".